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Mr Mazete, you have an affidavit in front of you which is also before the Committee.
Do you confirm that the affidavit which is before you was made by yourself and you abide by its contents? I also confirm that the arms were left in my place after the operation, though I did not know when they left them. I then realised after I heard of the attack, that the map I drew up and the arms that were dropped at my place on the day of the attack, were used in the operation at Wesselsbron". I want you Mr Mazete, to take the Committee starting when you started drawing up the map, your role you played, the circumstances which led you to drawing the map of the Wesselsbron Supermarket.
I think that is all.
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MR MAZETE : To add on what I already said, as a member of the task force in every operation or in any work which you're supposed to do as a member of the task force which the organisation wanted to do, that is why I was able to do the map for them, of the supermarket. Why did you draw up this map? Didn't you ask him: "Why should I draw up a map when you know the supermarket"? Did you know that when they were dropping the weapons that they were coming from attacking Wesselsbron Supermarket?
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That is when I started to know that those things were used for the attack. Did you not suspect that or think about that? I will proceed to paragraph 7 as I indicated Mr Chairman. ADV SIGODI : Sorry, do you know - was it discussed with you later, after the attack, how the map which you drew up was of assistance to the people who attacked the supermarket? MR MALAN : May I just ask you, the map of the supermarket that you drew up, was that a map of the supermarket inside or was it the location of the supermarket on the streets?
What was this map consisting of? I don't remember well but I don't think it was such a long time, the duration between the drawing of the map and the attack. I don't know whether he knew the supermarket. Did you do it in his presence in other words? Did you ever see people in uniform at the supermarket when you were shopping? When you talk about khaki uniforms you're talking about khaki clothes? Am I hearing you correctly, I don't want to lead you on this, I'm asking. MR MAZETE : Those blacks who used to come there with khaki clothes on are students but many of those who used to clad in khaki clothes are white people.
And they were there to do their shopping? There were people coming to stay with me".
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Now can you tell the Committee, after how long did you give these weapons to Mohape, after the incident? How long after the incident did you give them to him? You have not yet said that, so I wanted to know whether you did make this statement again, that you were given R50 after the amount has been counted? Now can you tell the Committee, why did you now make a statement to say that an amount of R9 was left with you and you were also give R50 after the amount was counted?
I spoke about this money so that they would leave me alone. I indicated that it transpired during the court - it's from the court record Mr Chairman. I indicated that according to judge there is an amount of Apparently there is no sworn statement that was made or that is available by the applicant. I'll just continue the questioning of the applicant Mr Chairperson. Sir, if I look at your amnesty application, to start there, according to my documents, page 19 or at least it's marked page 19, this is the application of George Thabang Mazete, and to paragraph 9 a there, I see you're referring to an incident which happened on the 22nd of October Can I repeat the question for you?
Take the bundle, turn to page Oh, you're looking at the other bundle? Is there anything else you would like to amend or point the Committee's attention to that is wrong in your application or do you still stick to your application as it is? The way I filled this application form I'm satisfied. Did you write this? I don't know the name of the person who filled this form. Can you just turn to that page please, marked page 20? Do you have that in front of you? Do you have it in front of you now? As to whether the owner of the shop was the AWB, I do not know.
You say that is what was filled in in the form that you signed, that you prepared, as I understand you. Please correct me if I'm wrong. There is nowhere where I have doubts. MR MAZETE : To explain shortly before this Commission, at the time when we were filling these application forms those people who represented us at that time, we were telling them orally and those people were writing or filling those forms.
I did not fill this form by myself. Is that your mark?
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ADV SIGODI : So were you relating the story as a group to the person who was taking down your statements or were you just giving your statements individually to the person who was taking your statements? The handwriting in the other forms, all of them, are totally different. So it looks as if your document was filled out either by someone with knowledge, on your behalf or directly under your direction by an individual who certainly had by then not taken any of the other statements, not so?
Sorry, let me just put this on record. It's been shown to me that Tshoane's application is in the same handwriting. That may explain the information that was scratched out, thank you. He knew and then we agreed that that is how it happened and those people who were affected were like that, so that is the way I did not dispute that.
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Because this is what the investigating officer will tell the Committee if he is called. You were never a member of APLA, you were only there to assist the gang in providing safe housing or a place to store the weapons away, is that correct? You said you received R9 , do you know where this money came from and who gave it to you? As I've already explained before that I didn't know as to whether there was money which was taken there.
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And again I was forced by the police to talk about that money so that they would leave me alone. Am I right to say you were never a member of PAC? I don't understand. What exactly was required from you to do, in this incident? Exactly what was your responsibility? MR MAZETE : By rumours, that such an incident happened in town and by seeing many policemen within the township, then I believed that that kind of an incident happened.
I was just trying to Sir, my last question to you. Can you just briefly tell the Committee what your political motivation was for your part in this incident? MR MALAN : So to the best of your knowledge after this incident those who attacked the supermarket as part of the liberation struggle did not carry out any other action for at least a month and for as long as the arms were with Mr Mohape?
Do you remember during the course of your evidence your counsel asked you about evidence that. So things like that I would not say if I was not. It is true that I was taken to the Magistrate, that is the police. Where I remember that he said to me to sign is where he made mistakes what I was telling him about. I knew that it would give me a problem if I don't include that in my statement whilst I did tell the police about the R9 and the R That is why I included that in that statement.
So to the Magistrate I saw that it was risky that I should leave that element in the statement I did before the Magistrate because those are the people who would handle the docket and they would ask my why I didn't tell the Magistrate about the R9 whilst I did tell them about the R9 So I was protecting myself. MR MAZETE : Because I heard from the news the following day that they talked about the money that was involved there and I thought that by so saying I will make them satisfied about the investigations they were doing in this regard.
Where did you hear it on the news? So I learnt that from the radio, and then about the disappearance of the money.